2008 sessions occurred in Kanata home.
MC says sessions continued into 2009, but not as frequently.
In 2009, Duffy paid Croskery only $396.90. Purchased in May 2009 a package of 8 sessions.
Crown now asking about after his appointment to the Senate:
JN: “Did you continue providing fitness training for now Senator Duffy after his appointment?”
MC says exercise again was at his home.
MC says exercises didn’t change after his appointment, “stayed pretty much consistent.”
MC says he doesn’t have invoices in 2007, 2008 and 2009 for Duffy. He did receive payment.
MC continued exercises with Duffy in 2010, and that is when the “consulting” came in.
JN: Where did the consulting take place?
MC At his home.
MC says “the majority of the workout sessions, it was combined” with consulting.
JN: How did that work?
MC “The way it (the exercise) was structured and because he knew the exercise routine, it was easy to carry a conversation about the topics”
MC: I remember one conversation we have on whether baby boomers were going to live as long as policy makers think they’re going to live.
MC: I remember my take on it was that boomers were less fit and less healthy than previous generations – and I don’t think they will live as long. Senator Duffy thinks they are going to live as long. I hope I’m proven wrong and people live a long and healthy life (laughs).
MC says “the conversations were pretty fluid.” Can move on to how exercise are beneficial for people suffering from heart diseases, cancers. “it was a wide spectrum of topics.”
MC says most times Duffy wasn’t writing things down. Sometimes would type things on his computer, but don’t know what he was typing. MC didn’t arrive to sessions with written notes.
MC also talked to Duffy about distribution of books: in print form, on CD, or online. Also talked about copyrights.
MC says he never produced any written work for senator
JN: How much extra work did you do on top of the fitness sessions?
MC I didn’t do any extra work.
JN: So they were just conversations?
MC: Yes… all was based on my background
Crown now on payments to Croskery.
Showing Exhibit 3, tab 21, Page 5 – 2010 invoice
MC says it was billed to Maple Ridge Media c/o Gerald Donohue
MC says those details provided to him by Duffy
Invoice reads “Consulting” – for $3,150 including HST.
JN: Why consulting?
MC: “That is what he (Sen. Duffy) wanted me to put on it”
JN: Why $3,000?
MC: “The figure came from him. He said, ‘let’s do it for $3,000’.” … “That was fine by me”
Duffy gave MC the “quantity” and “price” to put in on the invoice as well.
Crown asks MC to repeat how much he normally charged for his fitness sessions:
In 2007, charging $48 per fitness session. So package of 8 was $384+HST.
In 2010, charging $50 per fitness session. So package of 8 was $400+HST.
Showing Exhibit 3, tab 21, Page 6 – 2011 invoice
$3,000+tax invoice shows billed to Ottawa ICF, with description “Consulting – Research the Age Wave”. The “age wave” name came up with by Duffy.
Showing Exhibit 3, tab 21, Page 6 – 2011 invoice
$3,150+tax invoice shows billed to Ottawa ICF, with description “Consulting – Research the Age Wave”.
MC: “There was a price increase” between the this and the previous invoices.
JN: Why did you raise the price?
MC: I usually raise it for inflation costs, cost of expenses, I raise everybody’s prices.
JN: So that is to reflect the across-the-board rate increases?
JN: The increase – for what services?
MC: For the one-on-one physical fitness training… Whatever I would have charged for whatever services, I would have increased. I charge for my time.
JN: Would these three cheques reflect fitness and consulting services over the three years?
MC: Yes they would reflect the invoices for sure.
MC says for each invoice there were approximately 60 x 1 hour sessions – or 60 hours of potential meetings. Across the three years, there were about 180 sessions/hours.
MC says only about 5 or 10 sessions didn't include exercise. The rest included exercise. MC says he was prepared to do exercise on those 5 or 10 sessions, but it was Duffy’s decision to not do exercise.
JN: Were there any conversations about the health benefits of exercise? “I would imagine there would be conversations like that.”
JN asked if there was any product as a result of the project: “I never saw anything like that.” – no CD, no
JN: Ultimately do you know what came out of the conversations?
MC: What I understand, there was never any traction… never got enough support… compared to other projects like bullying. “It never got going it seemed” … There was “never any interest or never any support" by others on the "age wave" project.
Bayne starting out with Croskery’s bio/CV.
Noting that CV says he was a “consultant” since 1995, almost 20 years.
Has a Bachelor of Science degree.
Bayne: You have research experience and on-the-job experience?
MC: Yes that’s correct
Taught at Algonquin College, and wrote a textbook. On top of two books Crown talked about.
CV shows Croskery consulted with athletes with dozens of Canadian National teams, on variety of sports. Also consulted with RCMP, fire fighters, NHL/AHL hockey.
Bayne: So you have a very long and broad experience in consulting, and long resume of those who have hired you?
MC: I would like to think so, yes
Bayne: And you have been paid?